Sir, you are a beacon, illuminating the pillars which our military should and has stood for. This current abuse of our troops, ordering them into our cities and intimidating residents is a disgrace. It only serves to erode their collective integrity and the community's trust. This is not how healthy democracy functions.
Can we the people ask ....why can't the military step up and bring these dumbasses to our justice....why ? Why ? Why ? The answer to do ....is embedded in your oath . Plz the time has come to save America......plz
No, no, absolutely not. The US military has a long, deep history of standing apart from politics. We see what "politics" does.
Military intervention in political matters has a terrible record. I don't know if there is a single one in history that has not been a disaster for the society.
Lastly, we are not children. It is the duty of We the People to replace a government that is no longer serving us. We can do it, through strategic nonviolent resistance, when enough of us are willing to sacrifice a bit of our comfort and time to work together.
Can you have a healthy democracy when election losers turn to violence against the government providing the forum for democracy? Is that even a healthy democracy? There's no Constitutional right to insurrection.
Really? So the black-clad and masked individuals who are mobbing ICE agents and threatening to dox them and go after their families are just figments of imagination?
I call BS on that. Antifa is funded by Soros inc. I watched Antifa terrorist try to burn down a federal building during the Floyd "Summer of love." a building that had detained immigrants in it.
"black-clad and masked individuals who are mobbing ICE agents and threatening to dox them and go after their families are just figments of imagination"
Sources please that they, in fact, belong to an organization called "antifa". What are the distinguishing marks of antifa operatives? How do you identify them from anyone else who may dress in black and mask up? Valid sources.
"I watched Antifa terrorist try to burn down a federal building during the Floyd "Summer of love." You know this person was antifa how? What are the distinguishing characteristics? Did they claim to be antifa? Did you witness them in person, or only on the web/TV? Sources. Valid sources.
Sources that Antifa is, in fact, fascist. Valid sources. Also, provide evidence that the actions of some individuals are directed by people higher than them in some chain of command. Also evidence that the majority of members of Antifa conduct and/or condone such actions. Also evidence that Antifa as an entity condones such actions (which is hard when there’s no actual “entity” called antifa).
Regarding some people claiming to be antifa (which can be anyone who wants to, since there’s no structure) doxxing people and committing violence – I condemn their actions. There is no place for such actions in peaceful protest, as promoted & defined by Martin Luther King, Mahatma Gandhi, and much earlier by Jesus Christ. Those individuals should be held accountable for their actions in courts of law, via the constitutional legal procedures that have been used for almost 250 years, to include protection of their constitutional rights (which apply to everyone in the US)
Thank you for the clarification of duties. This is important for us to know and understand. It is clear to everyone but MAGA that destroying trust between the people and the military is harmful in and of itself. What is happening in this country now is pure Gestapo. In my heart of hearts I am hoping the military is not taken in by its “commander in chief” who is a maniac. I am hoping those generals were as disgusted as I was by Hegsbeth’s pep talk. I am depending on you and want to thank you for your many years of dedicated service.
Well said, General Manner. And you didn't even mention the 1970 Kent State shooting, when National Guard soldiers shot and killed four unarmed college students and wounded five more at a protest against the Vietnam war.
And none of the four killed were participating in the protest. They were en route between classes.
One item disagree with: after September 11th, we saw a lone soldier in the Spokane airport. He had a very long gun and looked scared to death. I was dismayed and not at all reassured.
Yes, they were evidently not trained for that kind of duty, as a group of them fired directly at students, killing four and injuring nine. At least the murdered student in the famous photo was just walking across campus! Lots and lots of deep and lingering trauma.
I believe that it prompted better training for Guard soldiers which continues to this day, but the threat of something like that or worse always is there. Especially with ICE and CBP deliberately escalating situations and being armed themselves.
There are plenty of retired Generals/Admirals who will come out against Trump's fascism, but what we really need is active duty flag officers to take a stand, and that is not happening!
I'm sorry, I have had it with the ignorant comments blaming the military for not doing what is absolutely not their job. Right or wrong, any suggestion of public criticism would get an officer relieved of command. Is that what you want?
It is the job of We the People to nullify this malignant regime. It is our obligation as citizens. Might be time to reread the Declaration of Independence. Or Judge Luttig, writings available on Substack.
Thank you General Manners for standing up for American democracy and the rule of law. Thank you for being an intelligent leader and a decent human being. Fascism has no place in our America or our military. Troops should NOT obey illegal orders.
The people whom Home of the Brave spotlights to tell their stories, like Maj. Gen. Randy Manner, are so experienced and educated--two things that stand in the way of Trump’s agenda. Why don’t the other high-profile Substack platforms put them on their podcasts?
Donald Trump’s apparent dementia is intensified by his lifelong racism, narcissism, and megalomania driven by stultifying ignorance and debilitating arrogance. He is intellectually, ethically, and morally unfit to hold any public office.
As revealed by the October 18 demonstrations—and confirmed by current approve/disapprove rankings: it is an irrefutable fact that Donald Trump’s Fascist Presidency is opposed by the overwhelming majority of Americans. This majority will not rest until Convicted Criminal Donald Trump is removed from office and either committed to an institution for custodial care, or thrown into prison—to be determined by the courts.
Trump must be furnished all due processes guaranteed by the Constitution—the same rights he denied millions of People of Color in his racist attempt to replace the USA’s Constitutional Republic with a Fascist, Christian-Nationalist, White-Supremacist Kleptocracy to be ruled in perpetuity by the Trump Family Crime Syndicate.
Such a well written letter and we should listen to this expert as he knows from experience what he is talking about. My dad was in the national guard and he helped repair bridges after a flood along with other good deeds.
My brother was a decorated US Army Captain who’s buried at Arlington. He did two tours with the 101st in Vietnam and he would be furious/in tears/beside himself over the direction the country has taken. As much as he gave and as much as I miss him I’m glad he’s not here to witness this time in our history.
I am a Vietnam Vet who served with the 101st, 1st and 3rd Marines in a number of operations. I’m here to stand witness for him and continue the battle that he would have stood for with all of us! God Bless his soul and yours! NEVER GIVE UP! NEVER GIVE IN!💪🇺🇸❤️🔥🫶🏼
Sir, you are a beacon, illuminating the pillars which our military should and has stood for. This current abuse of our troops, ordering them into our cities and intimidating residents is a disgrace. It only serves to erode their collective integrity and the community's trust. This is not how healthy democracy functions.
Can we the people ask ....why can't the military step up and bring these dumbasses to our justice....why ? Why ? Why ? The answer to do ....is embedded in your oath . Plz the time has come to save America......plz
No, no, absolutely not. The US military has a long, deep history of standing apart from politics. We see what "politics" does.
Military intervention in political matters has a terrible record. I don't know if there is a single one in history that has not been a disaster for the society.
Lastly, we are not children. It is the duty of We the People to replace a government that is no longer serving us. We can do it, through strategic nonviolent resistance, when enough of us are willing to sacrifice a bit of our comfort and time to work together.
Military intervened in S Korea and it worked just fine ....they implemented their oath .
Read the Articles within the UCMJ and you might begin to understand why they cannot. You want change then get out there and help bring it about!
Atten hut 👍🏽👍💪🏽🇺🇸🤔
Can you have a healthy democracy when election losers turn to violence against the government providing the forum for democracy? Is that even a healthy democracy? There's no Constitutional right to insurrection.
Well said ❤️
The Major General is stating "this is the floor - the minimum required". Not a beacon - just stating facts.
National Guardsmen should Not be used for guarding the nation! They need to be on the other side of the planet!
Well said. I totally agree. The US Military is NOT law enforcement, it's meant to defend our country from external threats.
It's too bad we can't use them for our 'internal' threats!
That's not entirely true.
The oath is "I will protect the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic."
Antifa is labeled as a terrorist org.
There is no Antifa, no organization, so total BS. The word simply means Anti-Fascist
Really? So the black-clad and masked individuals who are mobbing ICE agents and threatening to dox them and go after their families are just figments of imagination?
I call BS on that. Antifa is funded by Soros inc. I watched Antifa terrorist try to burn down a federal building during the Floyd "Summer of love." a building that had detained immigrants in it.
These black clad mobbers of ICE agents may well be a figment of AI imagination, broadcast by FoxNews. Or a figment of Kristi Noem's imagination
So you're against Antifa (anti-fascists)? That would include these people, whom the Government of the USA honored:
https://mohmuseum.org/medal-recipients/recipients-database?recipients%5Brange%5D%5Bcomputed.yearsOfAction%5D=1941%3A1945
https://www.cmohs.org/recipients/page/1?conflicts[]=world-war-ii
Are you suggesting what they did was wrong?
Antifa is funded by Soros inc. " - sources please. Valid sources.
Sources that he’s not:
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/aug/06/viral-image/no-george-soros-not-nazi-who-funds-antifa/
https://factually.co/fact-checks/politics/george-soros-antifa-funding-85e70b
Also, please provide sources that Antifa has a defined structure & any kind of defined leadership. Valid sources.
Sources that say no:
https://factually.co/fact-checks/politics/antifa-organization-structure-8370fe
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ced5gqn0p6jo
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Antifa
"black-clad and masked individuals who are mobbing ICE agents and threatening to dox them and go after their families are just figments of imagination"
Sources please that they, in fact, belong to an organization called "antifa". What are the distinguishing marks of antifa operatives? How do you identify them from anyone else who may dress in black and mask up? Valid sources.
"I watched Antifa terrorist try to burn down a federal building during the Floyd "Summer of love." You know this person was antifa how? What are the distinguishing characteristics? Did they claim to be antifa? Did you witness them in person, or only on the web/TV? Sources. Valid sources.
Sources that Antifa is, in fact, fascist. Valid sources. Also, provide evidence that the actions of some individuals are directed by people higher than them in some chain of command. Also evidence that the majority of members of Antifa conduct and/or condone such actions. Also evidence that Antifa as an entity condones such actions (which is hard when there’s no actual “entity” called antifa).
Regarding some people claiming to be antifa (which can be anyone who wants to, since there’s no structure) doxxing people and committing violence – I condemn their actions. There is no place for such actions in peaceful protest, as promoted & defined by Martin Luther King, Mahatma Gandhi, and much earlier by Jesus Christ. Those individuals should be held accountable for their actions in courts of law, via the constitutional legal procedures that have been used for almost 250 years, to include protection of their constitutional rights (which apply to everyone in the US)
Thank you for the clarification of duties. This is important for us to know and understand. It is clear to everyone but MAGA that destroying trust between the people and the military is harmful in and of itself. What is happening in this country now is pure Gestapo. In my heart of hearts I am hoping the military is not taken in by its “commander in chief” who is a maniac. I am hoping those generals were as disgusted as I was by Hegsbeth’s pep talk. I am depending on you and want to thank you for your many years of dedicated service.
Thank you!! As a former Guard member, I would be appalled at what units are being used for. Let’s get our Democracy back!
Sir, we are not a democracy. We are a constitutional repubic.
Then why are the "Republicans" flagrantly defying the Constitution?
Thank you for speaking out Major Gen. Manner.
Special thanks to you and your family for your service and continued dedication to our country. Please help us. How can we stop this madness?
Well said, General Manner. And you didn't even mention the 1970 Kent State shooting, when National Guard soldiers shot and killed four unarmed college students and wounded five more at a protest against the Vietnam war.
And none of the four killed were participating in the protest. They were en route between classes.
One item disagree with: after September 11th, we saw a lone soldier in the Spokane airport. He had a very long gun and looked scared to death. I was dismayed and not at all reassured.
Yes, they were evidently not trained for that kind of duty, as a group of them fired directly at students, killing four and injuring nine. At least the murdered student in the famous photo was just walking across campus! Lots and lots of deep and lingering trauma.
Yes, it traumatized the nation.
I believe that it prompted better training for Guard soldiers which continues to this day, but the threat of something like that or worse always is there. Especially with ICE and CBP deliberately escalating situations and being armed themselves.
There are plenty of retired Generals/Admirals who will come out against Trump's fascism, but what we really need is active duty flag officers to take a stand, and that is not happening!
I'm sorry, I have had it with the ignorant comments blaming the military for not doing what is absolutely not their job. Right or wrong, any suggestion of public criticism would get an officer relieved of command. Is that what you want?
It is the job of We the People to nullify this malignant regime. It is our obligation as citizens. Might be time to reread the Declaration of Independence. Or Judge Luttig, writings available on Substack.
You're right, of course, but I fail to see where exactly I "blame the military" for anything!
Thank you General Manners for standing up for American democracy and the rule of law. Thank you for being an intelligent leader and a decent human being. Fascism has no place in our America or our military. Troops should NOT obey illegal orders.
The people whom Home of the Brave spotlights to tell their stories, like Maj. Gen. Randy Manner, are so experienced and educated--two things that stand in the way of Trump’s agenda. Why don’t the other high-profile Substack platforms put them on their podcasts?
Great point! The military is the last backstop against dictatorship. It needs to be talked about more!
THANK YOU FOR THIS!!!
And thank you for your service!!
I love it when people of character and honor stand up to be counted.
"And the men who hold high places
Must be the ones who start
To mould a new reality
Closer to the Heart."
NP
Same goes for women!
Donald Trump’s apparent dementia is intensified by his lifelong racism, narcissism, and megalomania driven by stultifying ignorance and debilitating arrogance. He is intellectually, ethically, and morally unfit to hold any public office.
As revealed by the October 18 demonstrations—and confirmed by current approve/disapprove rankings: it is an irrefutable fact that Donald Trump’s Fascist Presidency is opposed by the overwhelming majority of Americans. This majority will not rest until Convicted Criminal Donald Trump is removed from office and either committed to an institution for custodial care, or thrown into prison—to be determined by the courts.
Trump must be furnished all due processes guaranteed by the Constitution—the same rights he denied millions of People of Color in his racist attempt to replace the USA’s Constitutional Republic with a Fascist, Christian-Nationalist, White-Supremacist Kleptocracy to be ruled in perpetuity by the Trump Family Crime Syndicate.
Such a well written letter and we should listen to this expert as he knows from experience what he is talking about. My dad was in the national guard and he helped repair bridges after a flood along with other good deeds.
Helpful, thank you General Manner!
My brother was a decorated US Army Captain who’s buried at Arlington. He did two tours with the 101st in Vietnam and he would be furious/in tears/beside himself over the direction the country has taken. As much as he gave and as much as I miss him I’m glad he’s not here to witness this time in our history.
I am a Vietnam Vet who served with the 101st, 1st and 3rd Marines in a number of operations. I’m here to stand witness for him and continue the battle that he would have stood for with all of us! God Bless his soul and yours! NEVER GIVE UP! NEVER GIVE IN!💪🇺🇸❤️🔥🫶🏼